Goons? Most other 0.0 alliances? Sure. Although the OP should be painfully aware of a wardec that Jade Constantine received. And I wouldn't doubt any level of utterly humorless vindictiveness from TEST. But if you're a small industrial corp with a POS and some newbies, it doesn't take a "Death Squad" program for someone to suddenly make the game exciting for you; 'one annoyed guy' might be enough.

But my main reply to Petrus is just: sure, :effort: is competitive with alt-posting. Effort at being fair in your criticism, effort at framing your "lasers suck!" post as coming from the perspective of someone who's lost five Punishers to Rifters and is unhappy with his chances. Which just establishes a fifth reason to alt-post: it's easier. And also, again: it's safer - because even if you put the effort in, you can fail. You can fail to emphasize that your experience is with Punishers and Omens because you don't know that other laser boats are famously good; you can attempt mild criticism and be seen as someone who's just publicly shitting on his own alliance.

I'd prefer good posting to two-facedness and pretentiousness, but two-faced and pretentious people really exist. I'm sure they make good use of alts.

You must have been quite outspoken, since many posters on this forum posted their disapproval of his behavior, including some CFC members and even some Goons.

Because idgaf and if a person posts decently and cause use reason, logic, and evidence in their arguments then who they post with shouldn't matter.

The downside is that by using an alt small-minded people can more easily dismiss your arguments. But honestly, if I posted with my main they'd still dismiss my arguments because *Goons*.

Hey, look at this person with an over-inflated ego.

You really aren't all that special except for the La Maison stuff ...

Hey Jade, maybe you should start alt-posting since people hate you so much.

To be honest, being well hated or well loved on the forums due to your posting is an "Op success" in my books. If only I could get thousands of idiots to hate me...

By the way, Goonswarm sucks and they are the worst kind of subhuman slime ever. *crosses fingers*

It's almost as if you want to be associated with those things.

It's hard to take down a webcache.

Nice suit and hairdo. I'm jealous.

What is crackerjax? I've never heard of that. How do you know that that is a Goon controlled site?

I can think of a multitude of sites that have stolen content from the Goonwiki. Sites that are completely out of our control. Sites whose users can post anything, no matter what. Anyway, if you don't want to be associated with it, why do you keep bringing it up? I hardly ever see anyone mention it before you.

Remove which website? the crackerjax one? Sorry, no can do, it's not my site. And at this point I wouldn't be surprised if it was your site, designed to smear us, given the gusto with which you keep posting it.

As opposed to "hey guys guys goons are saying I'm a pedo and a million other bad things here's a link to a website which contains something which nobody can verify"?

Yeah, pretty wild accusation, given the gusto with which you keep posting it, again and again and again and again.

How would I know? I didn't check the wiki until the first thread you derailed, repeatedly, by constantly spamming the crackerjax link, which was 2-3 weeks ago. And the wiki entry looks nothing like that.

What's next, a "so mittani, when did you stop beating your wife?" smear, since you love him so much?

So you're just going to ignore what I did for you completely huh? I'm of half a mind to go and make your Goonwiki page worse now.

I've no idea when that "crackerjax" page was made, I've no idea who put what there, I've no idea where the content of that link came from, who made it up, or anything.

I actually did that. No one knows who owns it.

If by "that page" you mean "crackerjax", then no, it did not represent the page on the goon wiki up to a few weeks ago. Not even close.

It did not.

Considering I've schooled you in almost all discussions, that doesn't bode well for your understanding of law.

Actually, no one but you really cares about this.

Also confirming that Zim is completely correct in that you are the one making you look bad.

Jesus, does anyone read sigs? First DMC, now you... I also answered why on the first page.


If it was, at one point, an accurate copy, so what? As I understand, it was originally a private site so they can say whatever the **** they want on it; it's entirely for their members.

What I'm saying is that the crackerjax site isn't a goon site, and I'm not going to vouch in any way, shape or form for its content, and that for all we know it's something you've fabricated to slander goonswarm over something you claim happened 4 years ago.

I can accurately say for sure that what is contained on that crackerjax site as of this posting is not what has been on your Goonwiki page for the last few months at least. The one on the Goonwiki page is much more "entertaining" because it has a few choice quotes by you about "Goons cosplaying as bees" or something like that.

Why would i give out non-public information from our wiki and risk myself getting banned? Why would Zim?
Edit: Also, you can stop saying "Zim". Zim is a main.

Or a self-flagellating BDSM/Public Humiliation freak.

Designed to smear an enemy privately. If it's such a big deal now that it's out in the open, you need to contact the maintainer of the mirror site because the Goons likely have nothing to do with it.

I notice you haven't provided any proof for your claims.

I'll bet you and Xenuria get along real well.

So what you're saying is, when you keep slandering yourself and blaming us for something you claim happened 4 years ago, you have absolutely no proof, and as such GSF can claim that you're wilfully slandering us (and yourself)?I see.

Can you answer the question I asked of "zim" though. Does the "crackerjax site" represent an accurate picture of how the goonwiki site used to look at some point in the past? If you can't answer the question can you produce a goonswarm character who does remember looking at it perhaps?

You're the accuser, provide proof.

Can you answer the question I asked of "zim" though. Does the "crackerjax site" represent an accurate picture of how the goonwiki site used to look at some point in the past? If you can't answer the question can you produce a goonswarm character who does remember looking at it perhaps?

Unless you have some evidence to suggest otherwise, there is a strong basis to assume that two sites on unrelated domain names, owned through unrelated registrars are in fact, unrelated.

Do you have any factual basis to believe that such a records check would reveal the evidence you're fishing for? If you want to compel someone to provide you with evidence, you have to come up with some basis for that evidence being likely to exist.

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Can you answer the question I asked of "zim" though. Does the "crackerjax site" represent an accurate picture of how the goonwiki site used to look at some point in the past? If you can't answer the question can you produce a goonswarm character who does remember looking at it perhaps?

I asked a simple question. Do you have any factual basis to believe that such a records check would reveal the evidence you're fishing for? It's not a complicated question.

Guess I'll be having a chat with our lawyers about someone slandering us, then. I'm sure they'll giggle when we tell them you've basically been running a slander crusade against yourself at the same time.

It goes clicky when I do that, but I've got him linked in my Sig. Why is it that you can't answer a simple question just because someone's main didn't ask it?

Great. Then since my identity is established, feel free to answer the question.

No can do, I got CCP annoyed in the process of bringing poor moderation to light. But, like I said, my identity as RubyPorto, of Sniggwaffe is pretty well established. So, since that's the only concern, why not answer the nice, simple question

1) Waffles is most certainly not a member of the CFC. We're in (or at least associated with) the HoneyBadger Coalition. And since you seem to accept my identity, your concerns over sockpuppetry are allayed, and you can "Happily answer the question"
2) Why does the asker of what you admitted (through your happiness to answer) to be a simple question matter?
3) You started with an accusation (and then repeated and repeated it). Gotta show a factual basis for that before you get to go on a fishing expedition.

Not entirely sure what you two are arguing about now, but refusing to communicate with a member of a particular group based on the generalised actions of said group is a poor excuse. The group may influence the individual, but the individual remains precisely that, an individual and thus a discussion with that person is likely to involve said individuals own personal beliefs, rather than the generalised beliefs of the group.

tl;dr We are not Borg.

Like he said, neither the CFC nor their allies are the Borg.

I simply want you to explain what factual basis you have to ask the question, and now that you have accused me of Colluding with mister Zim, I'd like you to explain what factual basis you have to accuse me of collusion.

Jade, on this occasion I think it best to let it go. Everyone, including you, knows that Pipa is not just an NPC alt and is in fact Ruby's only way of posting, so using that as an excuse to be evasive will do nothing to help your cause nor win any argument.

And to be honest with all of you, I've seen you, Zim and Pipa/Ruby posting, and the more I read the harder it is to tell you all apart. You all use the same arguments and evasion tactics so often that you run the risk of blending in to one big and very odd forum troll. Not that its not a learning experience and a comedic one, just getting a little weird is all.

Alot of people alt post, just to give **** and troll people.

And I see no point in providing you with an answer

Perhaps you lot could take this to OOPE and make your own thread there, rather than de-railing someone else's thread and risk getting it locked. Lets have a some common decency here eh?

Do not take this as me siding with you or them, I am merely looking at this from the point of view of the numerous people who's threads have been derailed by what appears to be an endless argument between the same two or three people.

Pipa Porto There you go, you've been asked by someone's main.

You mean this post? (snipped)

All it would take to settle this horrible affair, would be for mittens to issue a statement saying that the goons have never had anything to do with this issue in any way shape or form.
Not going to happen is it.

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snipped a load more nonsense

What a thread to make a first eve-o forums post.

To answer your question, i can see myself posting with an alt if i wanted to buy something atrociously costly in the Buy/Sell/Trade parts of the forum. I'm not particularly fond of practicing conspicuous consumption.